Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://bsd.network/@brynet" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>brynet</span></a></span> personally, I think <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WMI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WMI</span></a> is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Microsoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Microsoft</span></a>'s <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EmbraceExtendExtinguish</span></a> strategy to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a>-ize functions that should belong into open ABIs like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ACPI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ACPI</span></a>! </p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACPI#History" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACPI#His</span><span class="invisible">tory</span></a></p>
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Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://flipboard.com/@theverge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>theverge</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://flipboard.com/@theverge/tech-news-e3qmqbb8z" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>tech-news-theverge</span></a></span> <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114408031693623764" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">yeah...</a></p><p>Meanwhile I recommend migrating to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WebRTC</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/JitsiMeet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JitsiMeet</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WebCall</span></a> and espechally classic <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SIP</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VoIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>VoIP</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linphone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Linphone</span></a>! </p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Skype" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Skype</span></a> fucked up big time, but TBH it was <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Microsoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Microsoft</span></a> doing <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EmbraceExtendExtinguish</span></a> instead that killed it!</li></ul>
Paolo Redaelli<p>Microsoft To Shut Down Skype in May<br><a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EmbraceExtendExtinguish</span></a> - Microsofts de facto corporate motto.<br>Another good occasion to switch to <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/FreeAsInFreedom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>FreeAsInFreedom</span></a> software</p><p><a href="https://slashdot.org/story/25/02/28/1426223/microsoft-to-shut-down-skype-in-may-shift-users-to-teams" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">slashdot.org/story/25/02/28/14</span><span class="invisible">26223/microsoft-to-shut-down-skype-in-may-shift-users-to-teams</span></a></p>
Robert Link<p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/spam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>spam</span></a> I don't care about a bluesky enabling app. Why is my feed suddenly blowing up over "SwILL"? (added a w just because)</p><p>Looks to me the the money at bluesky has taken official am at mastodon. </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EmbraceExtendExtinguish</span></a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,</span><span class="invisible">_extend,_and_extinguish</span></a></p>
Paolo Redaelli<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@winterschon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>winterschon</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@mms" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>mms</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@stefano" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>stefano</span></a></span> can the <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/AfferoGPL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AfferoGPL</span></a> be a safeguard against <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EmbraceExtendExtinguish</span></a>?</p>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mstdn.ca/@deborahh" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Deborah Hartmann Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦</a> Embrace-Extend-Extinguish.<br><br>Embrace = they join the Fediverse.<br><br>Extend = they introduce stuff that's non-standard and not really compatible with what already exists. Everything else has to adopt that non-standard stuff or risk becoming incompatible. Since they're one of the biggest players or <em>the</em> biggest player, they can get away with it.<br><br>Threads has yet to do this. Mastodon has been doing it all the time.<br><br>Extinguish = They decide they don't care for interoperability anymore. They become incompatible with everything else. As big as they are, they get away with it. But they basically kill everything else off because all that "everything else" can hardly survive without being connected to that one big player.<br><br>Mastodon has more power to do this than Threads because Threads is a late addition to the Fediverse, Threads isn't even really welcome in the Fediverse, only a tiny fraction of Threads even federates, and I guess that to more people than not, <em>Mastodon</em> is the Fediverse.<br><br>(Public reply because the original post is public. I'm on Hubzilla and not on Mastodon, and on Hubzilla, all replies always have the exact same permissions as the original post. Permission changes within a thread are not supported.)<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=EEE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">EEE</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=EmbraceExtendExtinguish" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">EmbraceExtendExtinguish</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://hostux.social/@johentsch" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Johannes Hentschel</a><br><blockquote>Their interest is hegemony.</blockquote><br>They won't be able to achieve that. For that, they'd all have to join forces. Instead, the big players would rather bash each other's heads in.<br><br>If Zuckerberg wanted to buy out the Fediverse through the SWF and assume full control over it, that'd go hard against what Flipboard wants, what Ghost wants, what <em>Mastodon</em> wants etc.<br><br>If you think Zuck and Gargron will join forces in EEE'ing the Fediverse, I have a bridge to sell you. If Zuck wants to EEE the Fediverse, this includes Mastodon which is why everyone panics. But Gargron himself wants to EEE the Fediverse, too. Mastodon users don't notice it, but everyone else does, from Misskey to (streams). And if he could, that'd include assuming indirect control over Threads by forcing Mastodon's proprietary, non-standard solutions upon it.<br><br>Write.as, maintainer of WriteFreely, is a supporter of the SWF, too. WriteFreely is basically one of the Fediverse's alternatives to Medium. Notice how Medium itself is a supporter. Medium won't try to build a monopoly and get rid of WriteFreely through the SWF if WriteFreely itself has a saying in this. And so does Automattic because Medium competes against WordPress.<br><br>Mastodon vs Write.as + Medium + Automattic = "The Fediverse is for microblogging, we won't support more than a tiny subset of HTML, and the rest of the Fediverse has to adjust" vs "Everything in the Fediverse must support full HTML rendering for Article-type objects."<br><br>And the SWF won't grant voting power according to how much money someone invests into it. Meta won't be able to out-vote everyone else by pumping a billion into the SWF. If that was possible, @<a href="https://cosocial.ca/@evan" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Evan Prodromou</a>, as the very founder of the SWF, would have no voting power at all.<br><br>Lastly, these are the <strong>supporters</strong>. The financial backers. Not the only members and even less the only members the SWF will ever have. It's just kind of difficult for a Fediverse project with nothing but one or two spare-time devs behind it to join the SWF.<br><br>CC: @<a href="https://flipboard.social/@mike" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mike McCue</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MetaPlatforms" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">MetaPlatforms</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Threads" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Threads</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Automattic" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Automattic</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WordPress" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">WordPress</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Medium" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Medium</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Write.as" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Write.as</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WriteFreely" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">WriteFreely</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=SWF" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">SWF</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=SocialWebFoundation" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">SocialWebFoundation</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=EEE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">EEE</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=EmbraceExtendExtinguish" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">EmbraceExtendExtinguish</a>
Androcat<p>So, Threads has been scraping the fedi for feeding into their "Moderation Machine", resulting in a block list which includes Mastodon.Social</p><p>This confirms the suspicions of Embrace Extend Extinguish.</p><p>First step was to get big instance people hyped up about getting more audience and clout.<br>Second step: Block the big instances.<br>Third step: Due to uproar following from the thwarting of step 1, people will start to pressure their instances to comply with Threads moderation requirements (like, anything not supportive of Israeli bombardments is hate speech).</p><p>But you all knew that already.</p><p>Time to move off the big instances, they are going to bend over for big business, and then you might as well be on Facebook.</p><p><a href="https://toot.cat/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EmbraceExtendExtinguish</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/Threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Threads</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/blocklist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>blocklist</span></a></p>
Neon_Knight<p><a href="https://mastodon.la/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EmbraceExtendExtinguish</span></a> aplicado a las causas justas y los movimientos sociales:</p><p>Primero se infiltran en las mismas.<br>Después toman el control de las mismas y las moldean a su gusto y placer.<br>Por último deciden quienes merecen formar parte y quienes no, reemplazando su status de popular por el de uno sectario.</p><p>Así se desacreditan las causas justas y los movimientos sociales por dentro.</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.la/tags/Reflexi%C3%B3n" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Reflexión</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.la/tags/MovimientosSociales" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MovimientosSociales</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.la/tags/Sociedad" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Sociedad</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.la/tags/Protesta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Protesta</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.la/tags/Causa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Causa</span></a></p>
Aral Balkan<p>Ooh, can’t wait to read the gushing praise from Mastodon GmbH for this on the Mastodon blog.</p><p>(Mastodon gGmbH and Meta are besties, you see. <a href="https://www.platformer.news/mastodon-interview-eugen-rochko-meta-bluesky-threads-federation/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">platformer.news/mastodon-inter</span><span class="invisible">view-eugen-rochko-meta-bluesky-threads-federation/</span></a>)</p><p>Is it up yet?</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>mastodon</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/meta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>meta</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/besties" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>besties</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/allTheBetterToSeeYouWith" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>allTheBetterToSeeYouWith</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EmbraceExtendExtinguish</span></a> <a href="https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/112391192672337102" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">social.wildeboer.net/@jwildebo</span><span class="invisible">er/112391192672337102</span></a></p>
:mima_rule: Mima-sama<p>Ah but if <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> implements controls in replies and <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/quoteposts" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#quoteposts</a> it's suddenly not <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#EmbraceExtendExtinguish</a> or <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/EEE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#EEE</a> and it's actually good because safety yadda yadda. :seija_coffee:<span><br><br>These </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/fedipact" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#fedipact</a> people literally think that EEE in the <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#fediverse</a> is when Mastodon isn't doing it lmao :reimu_sigh:<span><br><br></span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/fediversemeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#fediversemeta</a><span><br><br>RE: </span><a href="https://mas.to/users/tokyo_0/statuses/112382573964635856" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://mas.to/users/tokyo_0/statuses/112382573964635856</a></p>
:mima_rule: Mima-sama<p>Tbh I'm not enthusiastic about a <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/hardfork" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#hardfork</a>. Not necessarily because of the <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/techdebt" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#techdebt</a> or even because it's technically inferior to other <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/ActivityPub" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a> implementations (which are both true), but because I cannot be sure if that new fork is going to adopt the same attitude as Mastodon in choking the rest of the <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#fediverse</a> with its proprietary extensions and <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#EmbraceExtendExtinguish</a> / <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/EEE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#EEE</a><span>.<br><br>I'd rather not have the uncertainty. Either start from scratch like </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/GoToSocial" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#GoToSocial</a> is doing or help the other two mainstream AP families which are <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Misskey</a> and <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Pleroma</a>. That's the only way we can ensure no implementation overwhelmingly dominates the fedi. :seija_coffee:<span><br><br></span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/fediversemeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#fediversemeta</a><span><br><br>RE: </span><a href="https://hachyderm.io/users/jenniferplusplus/statuses/112355187216928083" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://hachyderm.io/users/jenniferplusplus/statuses/112355187216928083</a></p>
:mima_rule: Mima-sama<p><a href="https://social.beaware.live/@BeAware" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@BeAware@social.beaware.live</a> Uhh I think you've gotten it fundamentally wrong here :thinking_cirno:<span><br><br>Whether your instance's posts appear on the blocked instance or not doesn't depend on the blocked having </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/AuthorizedFetch" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AuthorizedFetch</a>, but rather your instance having AF. That instance can still <i>fetch</i> your posts because your instance doesn't check if the request is signed (so an instance can sign all their fetching but still not enable AF, which is what vanilla <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Misskey</a><span> currently does) and from which instance the fetch request is coming from (hence the "authorized").<br><br>Threads already defederates from instances that don't sign their fetching (by design because they've enabled AF), but they don't care if an instance has enabled AF (it's that instance's problem to deal with posts still appearing in Threads).<br><br>The problem (I have) with AF is that it's pretty much just </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/securitytheater" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#securitytheater</a>. The documentation doesn't seem to account for this possibility, but if your adversary has enough money for some cheap domains and is well-versed in how <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/ActivityPub" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a> works nowadays, then it's trivial for them to forge signatures to look like their fetches come from an innocent server, therefore effectively bypassing the check and allowing the blocked to get your posts into their instance. This is already being done in the wild (with the <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Soapbox" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Soapbox</a><span> developer doing this to bypass Threads' fediblock being the most infamous recently).<br><br>It also complicates AP implementations because now you have to deal with more cryptography with all that signing and verifying of requests. And signing alone does have a significant impact on performance. It's impossible to create a 100% compatible AP implementation from the spec alone without looking at Mastodon's implementation. That's where the </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#EmbraceExtendExtinguish</a> or <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/EEE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#EEE</a><span> comes to play.<br><br>So overall it's the overeagerness of </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/MastoAdmins" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MastoAdmins</a> in adopting AF or <a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/SecureMode" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SecureMode</a> without understanding the compatibility and performance implications that brought us to this mess today.</p>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/@mima" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">:mima_rule: Mima-sama</a><br><strong>Threads</strong> overrunning the Fediverse, pushing its culture and its limitations upon the rest of the Fediverse, forcing the rest of the Fediverse to adopt its own proprietary and non-standard stuff to stay compatible and trying to "be the Fediverse": 😠😖🤬🤮👎🖕💢🐖💩💀<br><br><strong>Mastodon</strong> overrunning the Fediverse, pushing its culture and its limitations upon the rest of the Fediverse and forcing the rest of the Fediverse to adopt its own proprietary and non-standard stuff to stay compatible and trying to "be the Fediverse": 😍😁🤗🥰👍👌👏🫶💙💯<br><br>Of course, none of those who recognise this hypocrisy as such are on Mastodon themselves and not on Threads either.<br><br>Oh, and by the way: No, Mastodon wasn't here first. It wasn't even the first project to support ActivityPub.<br><br>CC: @<a href="https://social.beaware.live/@BeAware" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">BeAware :veriweed:</a> @<a href="https://corteximplant.com/@marta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Kitty Wife Milkshake</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Threads" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Threads</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=EEE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">EEE</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=EmbraceExtendExtinguish" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">EmbraceExtendExtinguish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hypocrisy" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Hypocrisy</a>
Paolo Redaelli<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.wake.st/@liaizon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>liaizon</span></a></span> so <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/meta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>meta</span></a> made their own symbol for the <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>fediverse</span></a>.<br>I smell <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/embraceextendextinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>embraceextendextinguish</span></a> from a parsec of distance.<br>I suggest to put a warning to every interaction with any fediverse user coming from meta</p>
Paolo Redaelli<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.uno/@roberto_balutsos" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>roberto_balutsos</span></a></span><br>Se ben ricordo <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/Threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Threads</span></a> è <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/defederato" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>defederato</span></a> perché temono un mortale "<a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/abbraccia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>abbraccia</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/estendi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>estendi</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/estingui" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>estingui</span></a>" (<a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/embraceextendextinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>embraceextendextinguish</span></a> per gli <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/anglofili" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>anglofili</span></a>)<br><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.uno/@amministratore" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>amministratore</span></a></span></p>
graphito<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@balterwenjamin42" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>balterwenjamin42</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@andricheli" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>andricheli</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@macberg" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>macberg</span></a></span> <br><a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/enshittification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>enshittification</span></a> usually comes overnight. One day <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/obsidian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>obsidian</span></a> Wikilinks might not open in <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Loqseq" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Loqseq</span></a>, APIs get paywalled, dotfiles get converted to obfuscated format for "your privacy and security" and you're one announcement away from being tied to a pole. But enthusiasts will keep saying that .md is an open format.</p><p><a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EmbraceExtendExtinguish</span></a></p>
:mima_rule: Mima-sama<p><span>Always has been </span>:KoishiGun:<span><br><br></span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#QuotePosts</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/QuoteBoosts" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#QuoteBoosts</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#QuoteTweets</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Threads" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Threads</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Facebook" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Facebook</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Meta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Meta</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#EmbraceExtendExtinguish</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/EEE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#EEE</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Misskey</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Pleroma</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Akkoma</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Sharkey</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Firefish</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Calckey</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Hubzilla</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Friendica</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/fediblockmeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#fediblockmeta</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/fediversemeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#fediversemeta</a><span><br><br>RE: </span><a href="https://authorship.studio/item/1c285421-a8cb-4ec4-9f4a-9fd435d8aaf4" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://authorship.studio/item/1c285421-a8cb-4ec4-9f4a-9fd435d8aaf4</a></p>
:mima_rule: Mima-sama<p><b><span>PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR</span></b><span> this issue. </span>:RumiaPray:<span> If you are on a </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#fediverse</a><span> software other than </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a><span> (like </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Misskey</a><span>, </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Pleroma</a><span>, </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Akkoma</a><span>, </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Sharkey</a><span>, and </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Friendica</a><span>), please give the issue's </span><a href="https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/25735#issue-1789258671" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span>first post</span></a><span> a </span>👎<span>.<br><br>If this "privacy setting" for </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/quoteposts" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#quoteposts</a><span> is implemented with it enabled by default, the result will be disastrous. </span>:reisensweat:<span> Since there is no other way to enforce this setting other than </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/defederation" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#defederation</a><span>, we are going to see Mastodon servers strong-arming those software developers who are "non-compliant" by threatening a </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/fediblock" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#fediblock</a><span>. </span>:reisensweat:<span> Developers of the -key and -oma families will suddenly have to scramble to make their implementation of </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/quotetweets" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#quotetweets</a><span> compatible with Mastodon's "privacy-friendly" implementation. </span>:satsuki_sadge:<span> This way of "extending" the fediverse is not acceptable, and everyone who has opposed </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/Facebook" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Facebook</a><span> joining the fediverse due to </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#EmbraceExtendExtinguish</a><span> should also oppose this issue which just eventually leads to the same result.<br><br></span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/fediversemeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#fediversemeta</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/fediblockmeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#fediblockmeta</a><span> </span><a href="https://makai.chaotic.ninja/tags/EEE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#EEE</a><span><br><br>RE: </span><a href="https://mastodon.social/users/Methylcobalamin/statuses/111703640036534443" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://mastodon.social/users/Methylcobalamin/statuses/111703640036534443</a></p>
Sal Rahman<p>Interview by <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://flipboard.social/@mike" class="u-url mention">@<span>mike</span></a></span> with <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@Gargron" class="u-url mention">@<span>Gargron</span></a></span>.</p><p>So according to Eugen, he's been using XMPP during a time when people let their desktop PCs run all the time, which is ideal for XMPP's requirement to maintain an active connection from sender to recipient in order to actually deliver messages.</p><p>But when the world transitioned from desktop PCs to mobile phones, XMPP's requirement to stay always on was just not practical, and the world moved on from XMPP and onto other platforms.</p><p>The only way people used XMPP was through Facebook and Google Talk, but the mainstream really didn't have a strong appreciation for XMPP.</p><p>According to Eugen, Email is still going strong because everyone knows how to work with it</p><p>Effectively, embracing, extending, extinguishing is just not a thing for email yet.</p><p><a href="https://flipboard.video/w/cTBu4HusskGTuPBahqm6WY" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">flipboard.video/w/cTBu4HusskGT</span><span class="invisible">uPBahqm6WY</span></a></p><p><a href="https://techhub.social/tags/EEE" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>EEE</span></a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/EmbraceExtendExtinguish" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>EmbraceExtendExtinguish</span></a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>XMPP</span></a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/Meta" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Meta</span></a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/BlockMeta" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>BlockMeta</span></a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/Threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Threads</span></a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/BlockThreads" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>BlockThreads</span></a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/AntiMetaFediPact" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>AntiMetaFediPact</span></a></p>
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