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Sandro SantilliNow using <a href="https://floss.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> with my own mail server.Nice thing (on desktop) is that DeltaChat could also serve as a Mail User Agent, too bad they are removing this part :)

Nordnick 🐘<a href="https://mastodon.social/@srngrvl" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@srngrvl@mastodon.social</a>Moin.Von den "Insel"-Messengern nutze ich tatsächlich gar keinen... und habe es bisher auch nicht.Ich habe (seit ca. 2017) <a href="https://hhmx.de/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> installiert... was technisch gesehen schlicht E-Mail ist. Separate Mailbox, diese unter eigener Domain bei deutschem Hoster.Ich hatte mal überlegt, einen eigenen <a href="https://hhmx.de/tags/matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Matrix</a>-Server aufzusetzen. Das Thema hat sich etwas verschoben, weil es aus irgendwelchen Gründen etwas länger dauert, einen eigenen <a href="https://hhmx.de/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a>-Server zu entwickeln... 😉Im Bedarfsfall würde ich mir vielleicht auch <a href="https://hhmx.de/tags/briar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Briar</a> näher anschauen.Vgl. <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta@chaos.social</a> <a href="https://mastodon.matrix.org/@matrix" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@matrix@mastodon.matrix.org</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@briar" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@briar@fosstodon.org</a>CC <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de</a>

Lardier<a href="https://kanoa.de/@decorum" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@decorum</a> <a href="https://troet.cafe/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> habe ich mir auch schon angeschaut. Wenn ich es nutzen würde, dann über einen eigenen Account. Ich habe aber bei meinem Emailpaket die maximale Anzahl der Postfächer erreicht. Wenn DeltaChat DIE Lösung wäre und ich auf WA verzichten könnte, würde auch ein größeres Paket abonnieren. Derzeit probiere ich <a href="https://troet.cafe/tags/Jami" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Jami</a> und <a href="https://troet.cafe/tags/Skret" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Skret</a> aus. Diese verwenden Peer-To-Peer Kommunikation. Das technische Konzept sagt mir zu, quasi zurück zu den Anfängen des Internets.

Delta ChatThe trajectory of E2E-encryption is about de-platforming: There shall be no central machines that can control the edges/peers, and the social groups and virtual centers they freely form. Our <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> R&D around <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chatmail</a> relays and <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/webxdc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#webxdc</a> apps all aim to realize such a "zero-platforms" fully E2E-encrypted interaction model. However, this is *not* just about cryptographic cleverness. Rather it is about usable anti-authoritarian designs, as explicitly stated in January <a href="https://delta.chat/en/2025-01-23-webxdc-no-billionaires" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://delta.chat/en/2025-01-23-webxdc-no-billionaires</a>

tekhne<a href="https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Tutanota</a> <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mastodon</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Mastodon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Mastodon</a> <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/Pixelfed" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Pixelfed</a> <a href="https://pixelfed.social/pixelfed" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@PixelFed</a> <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/Friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/diaspora" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#diaspora</a>

Nordnick 🐘<a href="https://mastodon.social/@adbenitez" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@adbenitez@mastodon.social</a>Sure. I use classic or normal MUAs.But in this case it was about the usage in a mixed environment between <a href="https://hhmx.de/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> and other MUAs.

Nordnick 🐘<a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de</a>Ein zentralisiertes Modell ist nun einmal ein Rückschritt.Und <a href="https://hhmx.de/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> existiert auch noch... größte Verbreitung (da auf E-Mail aufsetzend und damit kompatibel) und eben dezentral... eigenes Hosting ist auch möglich... mehr Details mag ggf. <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta@chaos.social</a> beisteuern.

Nordnick 🐘<a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta@chaos.social</a>Danke für den Hinweis.Hilft hier im Anwendungsfall leider nicht.Wenn mich jemand an meine Chat-Adresse anschreibt (ohne selbst Delta Chat zu verwenden, wird Delta Chat diesen Betreff verwenden. Und zwar auch noch Monate später, wenn die neue Nachricht so gar nichts mit dem inzwischen historischen Betreff zu tun hat.Brainstorming: * Delta Chat könnte nach gewisser Zeit wieder auf den Standardbetreff umschalten * Delta Chat könnte immer den Standardbetreff nutzen * Delta Chat könnte einen Hinweis auf Delta Chat in den Standardbetreff aufnehmen * Delta Chat könnte in den Einstellungen irgendwo eine Option bieten, den (zukünftigen) Betreff festzulegen bzw. auf den Standardbetreff zurückzusetzen<a href="https://social.screamingatmyscreen.com/@fallenhitokiri" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fallenhitokiri@social.screamingatmyscreen.com</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Michie164" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Michie164@mastodon.social</a><a href="https://hhmx.de/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a>

adb<a href="https://polymaths.social/@krafter" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@krafter</a> Delta Chat is available for iOS, if you mean in general to install a new app well yeah if people don't want to change there is nothing you can do about it, but if you are not available in the platforms they use they will need to use something elseon the plus side with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> there are in-chat mini-apps you could use as a reason for them to install the app, ex. shopping lists with family or roomates, split bills with friends, to-do lists and collaborative editor, games, etc.

adb<a href="https://polymaths.social/@krafter" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@krafter</a> I recommend you to give it a try to <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a>, for android there is a nice client called <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ArcaneChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ArcaneChat</a> I maintain: <a href="https://arcanechat.me" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://arcanechat.me</a>

Nordnick 🐘<a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta@chaos.social</a>Moin.Ich nutze eine separate Mailbox nur für Chat und eine Änderungsmöglichkeit für den Betreff würde ich auch begrüssen.Gerade in Hinblick auf Kontakte, die nicht <a href="https://hhmx.de/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> nutzen, kann es irritierend sein, E-Mails zu erhalten, deren Betreff so gar nichts mit dem Inhalt zu tun hat.Und (gerade nicht aktuell nachgeschaut): Es wäre schön, wenn der Date-Header die korrekte Zeitzone enthalten würde.Ansonsten: Super, daß es Delta Chat gibt. Nutze es seit ca. 2017. <a href="https://social.screamingatmyscreen.com/@fallenhitokiri" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fallenhitokiri@social.screamingatmyscreen.com</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Michie164" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Michie164@mastodon.social</a>

R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: 🍵<a href="https://polymaths.social/@krafter" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@krafter</a>Google is being atrociously googly with this one.There's always <a href="https://polymaths.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a>?

DIGITAL PRIVACY .DIY<a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> Your chatmail relay is great for private conversations! But it's also great for some Alertmanager infomails!<a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/alertmanager" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#alertmanager</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/prometheus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#prometheus</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chatmail</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/monitoring" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monitoring</a>

Delta ChatEaster/April offer 🐣 if you are onboarding a small group of family/friends to <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> and/or want to setup a insta-federated <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chatmail</a> relay let us know about any issues. Just post on fediverse and tag us. In case of bugs/issues we'll see to privately set up a support chat to help sort out any issues, or file accordingly to our development tracker. We want Delta to work flawlessly for private chatting and to better understand any remaining irritations or problems. Thanks and enjoy :)

Delta ChatIsn't it ironic that a messenger that utilizes email protocols under the hood is pretty resistant to spam? For decades most people equated email with "spam" and yet, here we are. It's not the email protocols that cause spam but the fact that email adresses have been used as identity. <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> is moving away from this email address-as-identity model towards a cryptography based model where only chat contacts know your identity, and email is "just" the globally federated transport.

Delta ChatIf you are using <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> with a <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chatmail</a> profile with private contacts there is no chance you are going to get spam. Why? 1) Spammers can't contact you based on your phone number like with other messengers. 2) Nobody knows your private address or cryptographic key except your contacts. Without that spammers/phishers can't contact you. 3) if joining a public group with unknown members better use a second chat profile which you can mute/remove as needed. Privacy and peace of mind.

Timo ZimmermannOne week ago we migrated 21 people from Matrix to <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> and it has been a pretty good experience.Not everything is working flawlessly but that also wasn’t expect. Plus we didn’t do a lot of debugging so I cannot rule out user error yet.All 21 users are happy about the change. <a href="https://social.screamingatmyscreen.com/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a><a href="https://www.screamingatmyscreen.com/one-week-with-delta-chat/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.screamingatmyscreen.com/one-week-with-delta-chat/</a>

Delta Chat<a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> is geared and optimized for private messaging even though it's successfully used for 100+ people chats as well. Doing large scale chats has two challenges: - implementing scalable encryption so increased number of recipients does not increase message size/cpu cost for the sender - grow good moderation tooling because public channels/chats invite a lot of spam, unwanted stuff For large chats today we recommend to control who joins, and maybe use a separate chat profile.

Limping<a href="https://toot.io/@gvitalik" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@gvitalik</a> может быть это зависит от учётной записи? На nine.testrun.org которую <a href="https://mastodon.ml/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> предлагает по-умолчанию, уведомления приходят исправно.

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#discord</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LhiCP8AQWs" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">IS LITERALLY THE PROBLEM!</a><ul><li>It's worse than any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IRC</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mumble" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mumble</a> or even the old <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TeamSpeak" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TeamSpeak</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Skype" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Skype</a> for that matter.</li><li>It combines the disadvantages of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Forum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Forum</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/paywalled" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#paywalled</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#documentation</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chat</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/voicechat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#voicechat</a> with 0 redeeming qualities (unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Zulip</a> & Mumble & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a>) it's just an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InformationBlackhole</a>!</li></ul>I'm shure fecking <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/dread" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dread</a> has better moderation and I'd rather use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MicrosoftTeams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MicrosoftTeams</a> + <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Slack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Slack</a> cuz those at least have proper <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/moderation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#moderation</a> tools.<ul><li>And I'd rather subscribe to the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LKML</a> and see my inbox getting hosed than using any shitty <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SaaS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SaaS</a>!</li></ul>Case in point: I'd rather <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SelfHost</a> all my comms infrastructure than to ever use something like Discord or any other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GDPR</a>-violating SaaS that is just enshittification.I'd rather recommend people to instead choose a tool that does everything but horrible to go with multiple smaller & good tools<ul><li>Public Chat? IRC!</li><li>Group Voicechat? Mumble.</li><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Documentation</a>? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mkDocs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mkDocs</a>-material.</li><li>1:1 Chats? XMPP+OMEMO.</li><li>E2EE Group Chats? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a>.</li><li>E2EE Calls? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WebCall</a>.</li><li>Filehosting? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPFS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IPFS</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BitTorrent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BitTorrent</a>, oshi.at, etc. ...</li><li>…</li></ul>Check <a href="https://mas.to/@alternativeto" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@alternativeto</a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/@european_alternatives" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@european_alternatives</a> for options.

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