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Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://chaos.social/@erebion" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@erebion</a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/@inaruck" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@inaruck</a> Ich widerspreche da vehement, da es naiv ist alles in de Verantwortung eines einzelnen Anbieters zu geben.<ul><li>Als Gegenbeispiel kann <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/moniclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#moniclesChat</a> aps Client gelten welcher mit sinnvollen Voreinstellungen kommt und ausm Stand <a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@torproject</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Tor</a> - mittels <a href="https://social.librem.one/@guardianproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@guardianproject</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Orbot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Orbot</a> kann.</li></ul>Nicht kann das Vermitteln von <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ITsec</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#InfoSec</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OpSec</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ComSec</a> ersetzen, und alle die naiv daran glauben, dass <a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@signalapp</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a> deren Arsch retten wird, dürften genauso door reinglotzen wie die Opfer von <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MINERVA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MINERVA</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RUBIKON" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RUBIKON</a> aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoLeaks" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#CryptoLeaks</a>.<ul><li>Die <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#USA</a> sind mit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Trump</a>|s <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Macht%C3%BCbernahme" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Machtübernahme</a> und <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Glechschaltung" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Glechschaltung</a> weder eine <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Demokratie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Demokratie</a> noch ein <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Rechtsstaat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Rechtsstaat</a> und ist daher wie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Russland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Russland</a> oder die "V.R." <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/China" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#China</a> als unsicherer Standort zu betrachten, gerade weil <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Cyberfaschismus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Cyberfaschismus</a> alla <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#CloudAct</a> offen existiert!</li></ul>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@kuketzblog</a> naja, <a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@signalapp</a> fällt auch unter <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#CloudAct</a> ubd <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Threema</a> ist noch <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/propriet%C3%A4rer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#proprietärer</a> als <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a>.<ul><li>Gibt mit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> eine wirklich <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/sichere" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#sichere</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/dezentrale" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#dezentrale</a> Alternative die keine <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PII</a> wie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telefonnummern" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Telefonnummern</a> oder <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Google</a>-Dienste braucht!</li></ul>Ach ja, <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/moniclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#moniclesChat</a> haben <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles/113925173206088469" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">grade</a> ne <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Promo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Promo</a> zum <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GlobalSwitchDay" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#GlobalSwitchDay</a> und bieten deren <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/App" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#App</a> kostenlos an.<ul><li>Und sonst gibt's auch noch <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@delta</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a> welche <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PGO</a>/MIME & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#eMail</a> als Basis nutzen!</li></ul>Für <a href="https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/xmpp.servers.list.tsv" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">beide gibt's</a> <a href="https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/email.servers.list.tsv" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">kostenlose Anbieter</a> und <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SelfHosting</a> ist genauso machbar wie deren echte <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#E2EE</a> mit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SelfCustody</a>!

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@MastoDenunzianten" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@MastoDenunzianten</a> EXAKT DAS ist die FALSCHE VORSTELLUNG!<ul><li>Ein <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/zentralisiertes" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#zentralisiertes</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SingleVendor</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SingleProvider</a> - System wird IMMER <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Govware</a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Backdoors" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Backdoors</a> haben weil es dazu verpfklchtet werden kann.</li><li>Ohne <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#CloudAct</a>-"Compliance" wäre <a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@signalapp</a> seit langem abgeschaltet (wie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EncoChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#EncoChat</a>) und <a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Mer__edith</a> im Knast!</li></ul><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PGP</a>/MIME sind dagegen offene <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Standards" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Standards</a> die anders als <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Threema</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Telegram</a> & Co. komplett auditierbar sind und KEINE <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PII</a> (Personen-Identifizierbaren Informationen) verlangen.<ul><li>Vertraust nicht <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://monocles.chat" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">monocles chat</a> als Betrieiber? Kein Problem: Gibt <a href="https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/xmpp.servers.list.tsv" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">drölfzig andere</a> und kannst <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SelfHosting</a> machen!</li><li>Vertraust nicht <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/moniclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#moniclesChat</a> oder <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@gajim</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Gajim</a> als Clients? Auch hier gibt's <a href="https://alternativeto.net/feature/xmpp/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">diverse Alternativen</a> und wenn der <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Aluhut" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Aluhut</a> zu eng ist, bauste halt alles selbst.</li></ul>Wohingegen der <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BND" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#BND</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CIA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#CIA</a> berühmt sind für die Faktischer Eigentümerschaft und Unterwanderung einzelner Hersteller die <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/propriet%C3%A4r" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#proprietär</a>|e <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SingleVendor</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SingleProvider</a>-Lösubgen verkaufen. <ul><li>Konkrete Beispiele: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoAG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#CryptoAG</a> aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MINERVA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MINERVA</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Rubikon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Rubikon</a> und <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TextLite" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TextLite</a> welche via <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Phllips" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Phllips</a> plattgemacht wurden…</li></ul>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://chaos.social/@HonkHase" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@HonkHase</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@hisolutions" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@hisolutions</a> Ich würde auch <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a> und <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Threema</a> nicht als Alternativen betrachten sondern nur als "weniger beschissen"...Trotzdem sind auch diese weil zentralisierte <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SingleVendor</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SingleProvider</a> - Lösungen nicht gut.Ich persönlich nutze seit > 15 Jahren <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> und kann u.a. <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/moniclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#moniclesChat</a> empfehlen...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@monocles</a> Not to mention the existing features like support for <a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@torproject</a> / <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Tor</a> & <a href="https://mastodon.cloud/@i2p" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@i2p</a> / <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/I2P" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#I2P</a>, which makes <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/MoniclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MoniclesChat</a> a really nice choice in terms of <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Privacy</a>.

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