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Whatsapp imo of better. They are both stealing your data, at least with WA you avoid third parties.

By the way, people answering Signal or Matrix: you really suck big time. Of course that's better, but it you ever have a friend outside privacy nich (or at all - your momma doesn't count-) , you would learn that's not a choice

I don't think that's true. By now, my whole family and almost all my friends are on Signal. Only a few of them are into IT to start with, let alone privacy. In my family, it was my not exactly tech-savvy grandpa that came to Signal first after I quit WhatsApp! When I quit WhatsApp most of them first went with SMS, but overtime they switched to Signal because it's easier. After a year pretty much everyone is over.

Really, all it takes is someone who's on there but not on WhatsApp (or whatever is the norm around you). Most people don't care much about privacy, and won't switch if they don't have to. But neither do they care much for installing another app if it benefits them (in this case, the benefit was easier chatting with me). Even less they care if that app is Telegram or Signal, especiallly if they use neither already.

And no, I didn't fight with any of my family or friend, nor did I loose contact with anyone I cared about in the process. If you handle quiting WhatsApp with a bit of tact and respect, no decent human being will hate you. Just don't be a jerk about it, but that counts for anything...

Matrix might be a bit more complex, but Signal is really not thát much trouble with "friends outside the privacy niche" other than that they have no need for it (a need which would be created by you switching to it).

When your friends and family asked about why you left Whatsapp, what was your reason? Because anytime I bring up a conversation about privacy around my friends or family they just call me paranoid and will call me paranoid for leaving Whatsapp as well and most likely just use SMS or something which is worse

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More messenger apps need to be interoperable, with options for leading end-to-end encryption algorithms built into their interoperability protocols.

EU is working on a law to make than mandatory actually, but they'll allow the industry to first try to come up with a standard (which takes time, but not having a specific standard set in law is better in the way that future developments don't need a law change. That would make EU quite backwards with the rest of the world as technology betters overtime but our law would prohibit them from using new techniques).

If they don't, EU will enforce one however. That to prevent an endless fight where everyone wants their standard to be the new standard.

A good example of all those points is how all phones needed to get the same connector to reduce waist and stop overpricing of propietary cables. Then, everyone went to micro-usb and later USB-C. Besides Apple, the only one refusing to budgr. Apple will now be forced to switch to USB-C in Europe as the EU went over to the enforce part because of this.

At the same time, if they back then put in law that it needed to be micro-usb instead of lefting the industry decide, it may have gone faster. But the transition into USB-C might not have happened due to the law locking it to micro-usb.