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Forrest Tanaka

I’ve wondered about as a technology. I’ve never owned one, but anecdotally a lot of people seem to do all they can to avoid activating the ICE engine. So they’re effectively driving a very short-range EV with a useless 500 lb ICE engine. Is that really a good way to go?

A long time ago I owned an early hybrid (not PHEV): a 7th gen Honda Civic Hybrid. Regular hybrids still make logical sense to me…for some reason. I just wonder about PHEV.

evcurvefuturist.com/2025/01/wh

EV Curve Futurist - · Why PHEVs Are Losing Their Shine - EV Curve FuturistPlug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) have long been seen as a bridge to fully battery-electric vehicles (BEVs). They offer a compromise for consumers hesitant about range anxiety or limited charging infrastructure. However, as BEVs and charging networks advance rapidly, PHEVs are increasingly viewed as less economical and an impediment to electrification. The Economics of PHEVs

@forresttanaka

I think people often buy a car based on their most extreme use case and not their typical use case.

So they get a plugin hybrid because they're worried about the range and rechargers for a full EV and they want to occasionally do a long road trip.

But the majority of their daily driving is in the 20-40 mile range which can fit in the small battery.

AC propulsion (the predecessor to Tesla) tested a range extender gas engine trailer you could attach to an EV to make it a long range hybrid when you need it.

I thought that might've been a better solution. Especially if we made those long range trailers rentable.

I found a Toyota version of the idea still online with photos
evnut.com/rav_longranger.htm

And honestly an EV with a smaller regular battery but some way to add more batteries when needed might be more affordable and still adaptable to the occasional longer trip.

www.evnut.comRav Long Ranger

@alienghic I hadn’t heard of the gas-engine trailer before. Interesting. Agreed about people buying for the extreme use case. That affects me as well. I just wonder if a regular hybrid where you’re nearly always using the engine and nearly always using the electric motor for generation or regeneration makes more sense than a PHEV, for people who can’t or won’t commit to a BEV.

I might have a skewed sense of efficiency though — something that can go unused but that costs you is a waste. If you use everything all the time, it’s efficient.

@forresttanaka

The trailers were a rare prototype, I think they should've been explored more though.

@forresttanaka
I own a PHEV and like it overall. On weekdays I generally just need to take short local drives, running on electricity for 90-100% of that. On weekends I frequently drive >350 miles to the mountains and back, in rural areas where charging infrastructure is nearly non-existent.

My biggest pet peeve with the vehicle is that during cold weather the gas engine ALWAYS runs for the first 10 minutes or so after turning on the car. I also wish it had double the electric range.