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The profit motive drives enshittification. Consumer coops are immune to it.



The profit motive drives worker exploitation. Worker coops are immune to it.



@hosford42 Small addition to this one: worker co-ops can still be for profit. They definitely solve self-imposed worker exploitation, as you said, but operating for-profit in a capitalist market there are still some negatives there.

E.g. they can still take investment that requires growth (because of interest), and while the co-op structure puts a cap on infinite growth, while competing in a capitalist market they’re still incentivised to grow for economies of scale.

Aaron

@Brendanjones All good points. At this point, anything that improves the status quo is worthwhile ti me. I'm sick of our corporate overlords, and I will fight them in whatever way I can.

@hosford42 Definitely. If I could wave a magic wand I’d convert many companies to worker co-ops (and the rest any other form of co-op that suits!). It wouldn’t solve everything (still operating in a capitalist market, after all), but it’d sure be an improvement over the current situation.

Actually, come to think of it, if all companies removed external ownership of their means of production, would that still be a capitalist market? 🤔

@hosford42 I mean “removed external ownership” as in shareholder ownership. Not that people external to the workers can’t have some ownership (like could be the case in producer, consumer & platform co-ops, I think?).

@Brendanjones It would not. It would be free-market, but without capital, it isn't capitalism.